Comments on: China, Copenhagen and the Uptown-Downtown Problem. http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4066 Observations on Asia and the world by Adam Minter, an American writer in Shanghai. Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:58:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Greg http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4066&cpage=1#comment-43689 Greg Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:03 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4066#comment-43689 For China (and India), the first best approach they could take is overall improvements in operational efficiency, sealing up pipes, pumps, etc. to reduce leakage of all pollutants, worker and management education, etc. Carbon is a pollutant but in most cases, CO2 emissions go hand in hand with other emitted pollutants. Many industries in the EU, N. America and Japan have saved alot of money and reduced pollution just by utilizing proper O&M, plugging leaks, installing new emissions control equipment, etc. And again, these industries saved alot of money by reducing overall wasted energy and product. For China (and India), the first best approach they could take is overall improvements in operational efficiency, sealing up pipes, pumps, etc. to reduce leakage of all pollutants, worker and management education, etc.

Carbon is a pollutant but in most cases, CO2 emissions go hand in hand with other emitted pollutants. Many industries in the EU, N. America and Japan have saved alot of money and reduced pollution just by utilizing proper O&M, plugging leaks, installing new emissions control equipment, etc.

And again, these industries saved alot of money by reducing overall wasted energy and product.

]]> By: Matthias http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4066&cpage=1#comment-43685 Matthias Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:49:23 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4066#comment-43685 Are you excusing China and saying that the West should take the responsbility while the poor countries pollute? Of course the West did its own pollution but much happened before there were good technologies to help stop the pollution. China developed when the world knew about the problem and the Chinese government didn't do anything. Instead it behave like it is 1950 and not 2010. Are you excusing China and saying that the West should take the responsbility while the poor countries pollute? Of course the West did its own pollution but much happened before there were good technologies to help stop the pollution. China developed when the world knew about the problem and the Chinese government didn’t do anything. Instead it behave like it is 1950 and not 2010.

]]> By: gregorylent http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4066&cpage=1#comment-43674 gregorylent Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:01:19 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4066#comment-43674 i think feng's comments, if they were from smith, would be equally applicable to the usa, especially the part about this issue being political ... and uptown/downtown aside, no one really knows what is going on in the atmosphere. everything is connected to everything, and far more than just temperature is in play ... the good thing about paying attention to what we can see, pollution, is that at least something is being done that is not as politicized, and does add value to human experience on earth .. and who is behind the carbon swap meme? yeah, biiiiig business .. i think feng’s comments, if they were from smith, would be equally applicable to the usa, especially the part about this issue being political …

and uptown/downtown aside, no one really knows what is going on in the atmosphere. everything is connected to everything, and far more than just temperature is in play …

the good thing about paying attention to what we can see, pollution, is that at least something is being done that is not as politicized, and does add value to human experience on earth ..

and who is behind the carbon swap meme? yeah, biiiiig business ..

]]> By: allroads http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4066&cpage=1#comment-43665 allroads Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:22:41 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4066#comment-43665 Adam. Of the 36 teams of MBA students (200 students in total) who are REQUIRED to take my class in sustainability, only 1 group chose carbon as their topic. The most popular topics. elderly care and water Carbon is a political term, and if there is one thing that I would add to your post is that in its drive to solve other problems, you will see massive improvements in its carbon numbers. Carbon unlike in the west where carbon is treated as "the" problem, it is treated as a byproduct of problems, and as China fixes its systemic issues it will have larger knockon effects that I think anyone realizes. R www.cleanergreenerchina.com Adam.

Of the 36 teams of MBA students (200 students in total) who are REQUIRED to take my class in sustainability, only 1 group chose carbon as their topic.

The most popular topics. elderly care and water

Carbon is a political term, and if there is one thing that I would add to your post is that in its drive to solve other problems, you will see massive improvements in its carbon numbers.

Carbon unlike in the west where carbon is treated as “the” problem, it is treated as a byproduct of problems, and as China fixes its systemic issues it will have larger knockon effects that I think anyone realizes.

R
http://www.cleanergreenerchina.com

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