Comments on: Resumption of Transmissions … http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554 Observations on Asia and the world by Adam Minter, an American writer in Shanghai. Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:58:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: big billy http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554&cpage=1#comment-44460 big billy Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:20:38 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554#comment-44460 I'm guessing that 200 per day is what the contractor is charging the developer. would be interesting to talk with a migrant worker and see how much of that filters down I’m guessing that 200 per day is what the contractor is charging the developer. would be interesting to talk with a migrant worker and see how much of that filters down

]]> By: dace http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554&cpage=1#comment-44442 dace Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:22:50 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554#comment-44442 From what I hear, the average wage for construction workers in Hangzhou is 2 - 4k per month, depending on company and skills I guess, whereas I heard that its more like 6k in Shanghai if they can get in the bigger projects...so 200 a day is probably not much of a sweetener. I dunno why anyone would turn down 1k per day though - as much as CNY may be the only time they see their family per year, wouldn't it be logical that they work for that rate for a month, then could take a month or two off and still make a killing? From what I hear, the average wage for construction workers in Hangzhou is 2 – 4k per month, depending on company and skills I guess, whereas I heard that its more like 6k in Shanghai if they can get in the bigger projects…so 200 a day is probably not much of a sweetener. I dunno why anyone would turn down 1k per day though – as much as CNY may be the only time they see their family per year, wouldn’t it be logical that they work for that rate for a month, then could take a month or two off and still make a killing?

]]> By: Alex http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554&cpage=1#comment-44438 Alex Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:54:17 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554#comment-44438 I have no idea of Shanghai rates, but a moderately experienced construction worker in Dalian can earn around 800-1000 Yuan per month with regular employment, more if they have a real in-demand skill (though they may have to pay board from that wage). If there's a building they're working on over new year break and they're pretty important in seeing the completion of the project (a team that know the production stage, for example) I can see a generous Hong Bao being given. I can also see it being given in 2 stages, with the larger chunk in the form of a stamped post-dated contract with the construction company rather than cash, payable on their return (rather than completion, but that's negotiation). Two hundred per day is impressive. That's like the heavy equipment is pro-rata'd with them, and sounds super high. If there's anyone that's connable it must be a foreign company working for a foreign government that mainly uses their own people, none of which have any experience in CN construction. Each of those choke points are a potential con point, and all of them are probably in play to some degree. Is there a going to be made a table breaking down each venue's cost into design, construction, sqm, etc, comparing the venues of each country. That would be interesting. Costs, bids, venue size, and other details, must be publicly disclosed for most countries? I have no idea of Shanghai rates, but a moderately experienced construction worker in Dalian can earn around 800-1000 Yuan per month with regular employment, more if they have a real in-demand skill (though they may have to pay board from that wage).

If there’s a building they’re working on over new year break and they’re pretty important in seeing the completion of the project (a team that know the production stage, for example) I can see a generous Hong Bao being given. I can also see it being given in 2 stages, with the larger chunk in the form of a stamped post-dated contract with the construction company rather than cash, payable on their return (rather than completion, but that’s negotiation).

Two hundred per day is impressive. That’s like the heavy equipment is pro-rata’d with them, and sounds super high.

If there’s anyone that’s connable it must be a foreign company working for a foreign government that mainly uses their own people, none of which have any experience in CN construction. Each of those choke points are a potential con point, and all of them are probably in play to some degree.

Is there a going to be made a table breaking down each venue’s cost into design, construction, sqm, etc, comparing the venues of each country. That would be interesting. Costs, bids, venue size, and other details, must be publicly disclosed for most countries?

]]> By: construction http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554&cpage=1#comment-44428 construction Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:06:10 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554#comment-44428 I find those numbers hard to believe. I find those numbers hard to believe.

]]> By: Adam http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554&cpage=1#comment-44424 Adam Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:25:46 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554#comment-44424 Semper - I get your point. But sheesh, it's only the first post of the year (of the tiger), so let's try and avoid drawing deep geopolitical conclusions out of the magician's hat for a few more weeks, at least. Semper – I get your point. But sheesh, it’s only the first post of the year (of the tiger), so let’s try and avoid drawing deep geopolitical conclusions out of the magician’s hat for a few more weeks, at least.

]]> By: Semper http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554&cpage=1#comment-44423 Semper Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:14:57 +0000 http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=4554#comment-44423 Love the idea of migrants outnegotiating members of the diplomatic corps. On the other hand if the diplomatic corps can't handle migrants what makes anybody think they can handle the CCP. Love the idea of migrants outnegotiating members of the diplomatic corps. On the other hand if the diplomatic corps can’t handle migrants what makes anybody think they can handle the CCP.

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